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Post by luro2020 on May 7, 2017 16:13:14 GMT
Hello, as some of you may know, I have been fighting heightism for some time and understand it pretty well. A big problem I have is when I untangle all of my heightist mentalities, someone says something heightist or something heightist happens that makes me start worrying about heightism and my mental progress is gone, how do you suggest, particularly heightismreport or Joe that I stop attributing everything to height? It seems like whenever I try to see the world for what it is and reject heightism someone comes and ruins my streak by being a heightist towards me or anyone that I am talking with, or if i overhear someone.
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Post by Heightism Report on May 7, 2017 21:29:57 GMT
You're just going to have to learn to deal with that because heightism is here to stay. We're not really in the business of making "mental progress," we're in the business of holding society accountable for its actions so that short men don't feel the need to make "mental progress." If people saying heightist things is what is making you have these thoughts, you're not "attributing everything to height" anyway because the words and actions of the heightist responsible is what attributed the situation to height. Don't get all caught-up in thoughts because we're trying to change actions. Don't beat yourself up over thoughts. Society created this hateful narrative, so we're all going to have undesirable thoughts from time-to-time. Uncomfortable thoughts are unavoidable if you're resisting heightism, so the best thing to do is to find comfort in resisting the uncomfortable thoughts that are stirred-up by the different facets of heightism.
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Post by Cole Geass on May 8, 2017 18:43:43 GMT
Hello, as some of you may know, I have been fighting heightism for some time and understand it pretty well. A big problem I have is when I untangle all of my heightist mentalities, someone says something heightist or something heightist happens that makes me start worrying about heightism and my mental progress is gone, how do you suggest, particularly heightismreport or Joe that I stop attributing everything to height? It seems like whenever I try to see the world for what it is and reject heightism someone comes and ruins my streak by being a heightist towards me or anyone that I am talking with, or if i overhear someone. It's like trying to make racist people not racist. There will always be racist people. There have been studies that show that genetically, we are prone to racism, sexism, etc. It's not entirely socially conditioned. It will probably never go away, since heightism is born from our evolutionary history. It won't ever fully go away. What CAN change though is how we deal with issues as they effect people. We CAN treat heightism the same way we treat racism. When someone says something racist, they are called out. When someone says something heightists, they are almost celebrated for it. That can change through a social movement. It might take 50-100 years, but women were able to get the social public to see the discrimination, blacks were able to, the short statured can do this too. But people who think racist/sexist/heightist things in their heads, that will never stop... |
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Post by luro2020 on May 8, 2017 20:57:10 GMT
No offense Cole, but have you gone off the deep end? Why the hell are you making evo psych arguments, evolution is what people use to justify heightism and avoid looking at it as a societal issue, they are just bullshit that society socially conditions us. Also, why are you making the perception argument, our perception and "how we deal with it" isn't the issue, the issue is society's mental illness of dedegrading short people. I understand you may have just messed up, but these kind of arguments will hinder our progress drastically.
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Post by luro2020 on May 8, 2017 20:57:59 GMT
Degrading*
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Post by Heightism Report on May 8, 2017 22:34:22 GMT
No offense Cole, but have you gone off the deep end? Why the hell are you making evo psych arguments, evolution is what people use to justify heightism and avoid looking at it as a societal issue, they are just bullshit that society socially conditions us. Also, why are you making the perception argument, our perception and "how we deal with it" isn't the issue, the issue is society's mental illness of dedegrading short people. I understand you may have just messed up, but these kind of arguments will hinder our progress drastically. I agree fully that evo-psych is the pivot point for all pseudoscience that is used against us(and every other group for that matter.) Legitimate psychology doesn't even look as evo-psych as a real science, it sees it as a "philsophy." Perhaps, we should start referring to it as "evo-philos." To address Cole's comment directly, he's absolutely right that the focus needs to be on the treatment of short people rather than anything else, and we damn sure need to put an end to this nonsense where heightism is celebrated. Even if there were a legitimate way to base scientific theories on "perceived caveman feelz," there still would be no excuse for discriminating against short people, and even if heightist thoughts will always be there, people need to know that those thoughts aren't productive. If you see an attractive woman and have sexual desires, you shouldn't always act on those desires because of a litany of reasons. She could be your boss, your friend's wife, a police officer who has you pulled over for speeding, etc. The point, is that even if heightism is a natural inclination(and I'm not saying it is) it's still something that needs to be questioned and people need to try to get past the related negative thought patterns, especially in modern society. It's disappointing that evo-philos is used in so many heightism discussions because in addition to being akin to folk wisdom, it wouldn't even be relevant if it were scientifically-proven. Besides, most of the evo nonsense we hear is based on viewing tall men as superior through a modern social lens, thus, it doesn't even translate to ancient times. I mean c'mon, people will believe anything that can be interpreted as negative toward short men. For example, that one study that "proved" Napoleon Complex because one specific type of fish attacks larger fish of the same species. That's seriously the best they can do? |
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Post by Cole Geass on May 10, 2017 0:46:10 GMT
No offense Cole, but have you gone off the deep end? Why the hell are you making evo psych arguments, evolution is what people use to justify heightism and avoid looking at it as a societal issue, they are just bullshit that society socially conditions us. Also, why are you making the perception argument, our perception and "how we deal with it" isn't the issue, the issue is society's mental illness of dedegrading short people. I understand you may have just messed up, but these kind of arguments will hinder our progress drastically. I agree fully that evo-psych is the pivot point for all pseudoscience that is used against us(and every other group for that matter.) Legitimate psychology doesn't even look as evo-psych as a real science, it sees it as a "philsophy." Perhaps, we should start referring to it as "evo-philos." To address Cole's comment directly, he's absolutely right that the focus needs to be on the treatment of short people rather than anything else, and we damn sure need to put an end to this nonsense where heightism is celebrated. Even if there were a legitimate way to base scientific theories on "perceived caveman feelz," there still would be no excuse for discriminating against short people, and even if heightist thoughts will always be there, people need to know that those thoughts aren't productive. If you see an attractive woman and have sexual desires, you shouldn't always act on those desires because of a litany of reasons. She could be your boss, your friend's wife, a police officer who has you pulled over for speeding, etc. The point, is that even if heightism is a natural inclination(and I'm not saying it is) it's still something that needs to be questioned and people need to try to get past the related negative thought patterns, especially in modern society. It's disappointing that evo-philos is used in so many heightism discussions because in addition to being akin to folk wisdom, it wouldn't even be relevant if it were scientifically-proven. Besides, most of the evo nonsense we hear is based on viewing tall men as superior through a modern social lens, thus, it doesn't even translate to ancient times. I mean c'mon, people will believe anything that can be interpreted as negative toward short men. For example, that one study that "proved" Napoleon Complex because one specific type of fish attacks larger fish of the same species. That's seriously the best they can do? This is precisely what I meant. It's useless to try and mind control people. The thing is, heightism is never "taught." What's taught is that "heightism is acceptable or in some cases celebrated." This can be advocated against. Women advocated for equal opportunities in the work place, black people had their movement, and the advocacy of treating short statured people with just as much respect and equality as average or taller people is something that can be accomplished. It won't ever erase the minds of people who have those complexes, but it may help control the way they treat others. Like Heightism Report said, i have it in my mind all the sexual things i want to do to a woman, but I don't act on them because it's morally wrong. The same thought processes should be applied to short statured people, but they aren't, because heightism is the last form of socially acceptable discrimination. |
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Post by luro2020 on May 10, 2017 1:25:02 GMT
Ok man so sorry I honestly thought you were bringing other forms of discrimination into it to compare, but that you forgot you were taking the focus off of heightism but you were comparing how people wouldn't disrespect other classes like they would short men, I'm really sorry for jumping at you like that, it was wrong of me to attack someone who is fighting for the same cause.
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