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Post by Luro2020 on May 28, 2017 21:29:57 GMT
Do you guys think if I was tall I would not have been misinterpreted, and been treated of higher class, and not deterred to in the ways I was treated? First scenario, I was play basketball, and I asked a simple question,trying to explain myself but they got more angry and the guys who did were like 6' ish. Next scenario, simply got called weird, I know these are not overt heightism but if I was tall wouldn't the aura of privilege cause people to be more respectful and not conflict? I'm wondering if being tall makes it less likely to run into rude people even compared to being 5'9 like me,so basically, would people limit their rude behavior if I was 3 inches taller? Since I'm not tall, I could be experiencing a little heightism because they treat me they wouldn't treat a tall person,but obviously a short male gets the most discrimination I'm just wondering if some of the effects of not having tall privelege overlap in these situations.
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Post by Heightism Report on May 30, 2017 0:18:43 GMT
Of course height is a factor in those scenarios.
In the first scenario, you mentioned being on the basketball court. Tall men benefit greatly by meeting the preferred body type for athletics, especially basketball, so when a shorter guy enters "their turf" and becomes "over-involved," it's going to agitate the tall man. They don't want any type of disruptions during one of their ego-fests, and they see it as a threat to their throne when shorter men want to become involved in "traditionally tall" activities.
One of the real eye-openers when I first learned about heightism was realizing that friends of mine had a different worldview about social settings. They seemed to always be fulfilled in social settings, and while I was certainly socially-capable, I would always have to prove myself before people would welcome me into any group. Sometimes though, I was never welcomed into a group, and my friends would be welcomed with open arms. I didn't think much of this for a number of years, but I noticed that "proving myself" became an even more intense task as time went by. I eventually started being more selective about social situations, while my friends still had an insatiable desire to "be seen." I assumed that they just weren't very observant and were just following the herd, but piece-by-piece, I started realizing that they didn't have to go through an intense initiation ritual in every social situation, thus, they were energized by such settings. As a short guy, I'm constantly challenged, ignored, demeaned, or sometimes, at best, I'm merely tolerated. My tall friends weren't subjected to a world that constantly bombards them with cues, body language, tones, and other signals that they are unwelcome, so they tend to see the world as a bit more of a happy goatfuck than it being a place where they have to exhaust a ton of energy just to pass the initial screening process. Usually, in casual settings, people won't be rude to a tall man without being given a reason to do so, but a short man is showered with rudeness, doubt, and diverted attention just for the mere sake of being short.
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Post by luro2020 on May 30, 2017 16:28:59 GMT
Yes it's obvious to me that short men are overlooked in subtle ways and have to go through a type of ritual that tall people don't just to be accepted and treated equally, but what about if i make it more specific? There was one other guy on the court who wasn't tall (5'8-5'9), but he already had a pre-established relationship, and they were being nice to him so it might have been social status, but If I was tall wouldn't I have been given more room to join the game and ask questions before they started to spew vitriol? I don't know where I stand at average height, and if lacking tall privelege means they are still treating a tall person better or i'm objectively short because it's basketball where the average height is much higher. Am i experiencing heightism, is it because they didn't know me or is because they treated the other shorter guy well, so i can't tell if it's discrimination or just a lack of tall privelege resulting in average treatment because i'm a stranger to them. Also, someone thought what I was doing was weird, and they let me know, but if I was tall wouldn't they have not dared to? I'm confused on how heightism works in these circumstances for guys who are not short but not tall (5'8-5'11).
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Post by Heightism Report on May 31, 2017 2:16:43 GMT
I don't know man. That's a very specific circumstance so I would have to be there to understand all of the subtleties. They could've just been annoyed that you were asking a lot of questions, but of course, tall men do have more leeway in those instances, and people tend to watch their tone of voice and their level of intensity around tall men. As far as the short guy go who they treated well, you're probably right that he had already been "pre-approved" by the group. Being an average height guy, it's probably better for you to look for examples of tall men receiving social benefits to understand how heightism affects any given situation. They were probably annoyed by your questions, but if you were taller, or at least pre-approved by the group, their response would've been more subdued.
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Post by Luro2020 on May 31, 2017 2:34:47 GMT
Alright thanks for trying, yes that's exactly it i'm trying to understand how heightism affects those who are average in comparison to tall because I want to understand how bad it's gotten comparitively, but i'll keep the focus on the treatment of short guys. As an average height guy i don't truly feel it, so I needed a better understanding of how it works, even though i fully understand how it affects short men. I also realize those are very specific scenarios, but I was wondering if lacking tall privilege affects treatment of even average guys, I was asking questions and they had their set game, so they could've just been annoyed and thought I was trying to change rules, though height could have been a factor since the average height for bball players is so high, let's atleast acknowledge that.
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