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Post by Heightism Report on Mar 9, 2020 7:11:07 GMT
https://www.reddit.com/r/short/comments/ffjwz7/heightism_is_real_and_it_is_brutal/
His statements in that thread are primarily nothing but an incoherent word salad, but I'm going to focus on a few quotes.
"Heightism is real, but not as pervasive as the sub presents." "I always make a point of not dismissing heightism."
So, which is it? Heightism that the posters speak about is never real in his eyes, but we're supposed to believe that he makes it a point to never dismiss heightism? His contributions to the thread are him kicking and screaming in an attempt to dismiss heightism so his argument falls apart from the get-go. The only time he doesn't dismiss heightism is when women speak of it, and this isn't one of those cases. Then, there's the added bonus of a tall(6'1) guy being the OP, and even he notices how serious heightism is, yet, Boomerbabbler is pretending to be mostly-oblivious to its existence.
Here's another example of him denying heightism's existence in the same thread where he claims that he doesn't deny heightism exists
"Bear in mind that there are two women in this story: One who is dating a man 4" shorter than her and one who has a problem with it. However, only one of them is chosen to represent "society" and societies views by OP. There are absolutely heightist women out there, and there are absolutely women who aren't.
So, since he wants to spin the fact that one woman in the story is heightist and one might not be as evidence that heightism isn't a major issue, let's spin it the other direction. He's arguing one woman dating a man 4" shorter and one who hates on her for doing so is an example that heightism isn't that prevalent. Well, Boy Genius didn't exactly do the math there because if he's using the current sample to extrapolate a wide-ranging theory, the current circumstance shows that at-least 50% of the female population will not only outright refuse to date short men, but is so disgusted by them that they heap vitriol on other women who do date short men. In actuality, that number is probably much more than 50%, but even if it were 50%, it would still be enough to classify heightism as an extremely serious issue. Objectively speaking, we know that there are much more than 50% of women who absolutely will not date men 4" shorter(or even 1" shorter) for that matter, so he tripped over his own feet as usual with his silly logic.
Then, when someone calls him a Boomer, he unleashes these gems
"1, I'm gen X. Two, I really don't appreciate you trying to dismiss my points with your hyperbole. I wouldn't let you get away with that directed towards anyone else, so maybe it's time I quit taking so many to the chin myself in the name of fairness. Find fault with my arguments or don't, but don't fall back on ageist crap. Consider this a warning."
"Lol, you're not even trying to be hyperbolic this time and you're STILL a fucking decade off. Warning stands dude, I'm going to allow myself the same latitude I allow everyone. Attack my ideas, but not my height, not my race, not my religion, and not my age. And yeah, it was the 50's-70's hyperbole that ground my gears. You exaggerated for effect, so be man enough to admit it."
"Mom also told me not to be a pussy, so I'll pass."
So, wait a minute. He admits that the comments about his age, "ground his gears," and he goes nuclear by starting to issue warnings, but his Mommy taught him not to be a pussy. He comes unglued when someone calls him a Boomer(which is exactly why I called him one in the title of this post) but it's ok for him to call other people a "pussy." Would someone who isn't a pussy start threatening to ban people because they called him a name?
Also, on this particular point, ShortleeOdd, who carved Boomerboots up during the entire thread destroyed him once again with this quote
"I find it ironic of your insistent attitude of dismissing heightism and then scream ageism.. Claiming of not being "a pussy" and then being one the next.. It's like, if it don't fit your narrative, it's "being a pussy", but when it does fit yours it's suddenly not? Seems like you're the one picking and choosing with the list.."
And we'll close with this gem "I don't live in a vacuum dude. As I've said countless times, I know plenty of young short guys (nephews, cousins removed etc) in my extended family who aren't having these problems either. I guess you're just tuning those comments out."
Now, let's review the fact that we could've also used this quote as counter-evidence against the notion that he doesn't ever dismiss heightism. However, let's also consider how awful of a person he'd be for his "nephews, cousins removed, etc" to discuss heightism with. If those young men wanted to discuss heightism, do you think their 5'1 family member who denies heightism exists, plays lapdog for any and every woman, brags about being a poon slayer because he's married, pines for attention from young kids on Reddit, brags that he's been arrested for assault and battery numerous times(whether it's true or not,) claims that even though he's 5'1, no one ever mentions his height, but also contradicts that statement by memorizing snappy comebacks for when people degrade him for his height, claims that even though his wife is 10" inches taller than he is, no one has ever noticed, and gets oversensitive as far as his age is concerned? What young person who experiences heightism is going to turn to such a walking disaster of a clown show for advice? He has to be that uncle everyone despises and people start getting pre-annoyed by September because they know they have to see him during Thanksgiving. I guarantee you he's the last person anyone comes to for advice for any reason. His logic is a testimony to how much of a holistic failure he is in multiple facets of life, so I'm not buying into any theory that he's revered as some great guru of wisdom within his family. For these reasons, we can't take anything he says about the heightism experienced by his male family members seriously.
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Post by Heightism Report on Mar 9, 2020 7:54:59 GMT
I'd also like to add the reason why it's important for sad sacks like Mike and Boomerbiscuit to live with the belief that heightism isn't as serious as others(and empirical evidence) say it is. Their reasons for needing to believe that heightism isn't serious are self-serving. Guys like those two NEED to believe that no one looks at them in the way that most people look at short men because they would collapse under the weight of heightism if they saw it for what it is. They don't have the metal to confront the realities that short men who do admit that heightism is a pervasive issue take-on, so they have to live in a fantasy world so they can believe that people look at them as superior to most short men. This is why they spend a ridiculous amount of time trying to place themselves as better than short men who face serious consequences due to heightism. They're not only seeking approval from youngsters, but they are completely insecure themselves and have to work hard so they can allow themselves to believe what they need to so as to not collapse into a ball of despair. I'm not as old as those guys, but I can say for sure that men their age who act the way those two act online aren't well-adjusted and ready to take-on life's challenges.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 9, 2020 17:59:56 GMT
Lol, biker is such an idiot,simply put, I don't know what other insult he's deserving of at this point. Sadly, most old people like him don't want to admit their ways of thinking are obsolete so they claim ageism as a victim card when called out. Back to Biker, people can't dismiss his points based on his age, but he can dismiss heightism based on the fact that none of his family members have issues supposedly?
I love how he acts like he's expected to take insults "on the chin", yet any short man who speaks about heightism, something far worse and more widespread than ageism are constantly lambasted but he still makes himself the victim. The mod of a forum is obviously going to be criticized far more than the average poster, and I thought he said he was less of a pussy than everyone else. Wouldn't that mean he should be able to have a stiff upper lip more often, not "allowing myself the same latitude I allow everyone".
It's crazy how a 6'1" guy, a man who receives the brunt of tall privilege, and is in no way obligated to speak out against heightism is being much more of an adversary for short men than a 5 foot tall man. That takes considerable empathy. I agree with the 2nd post also, him and mike are very short, so if they saw the world for what it is they would no longer function at all. They aren't at the height where your shortness isn't noticed as much like say around 5'7" , they're shorter than almost all men at 5'4" and 5'2", so they can't afford to take even a second to ponder heightism.
It also might explain why a tall guy would be motivated to call out heightism in a post, he doesn't loose his social standing by doing so. Biker is most definitely one of those family members who invalidates all your problems and in turn no one opens up to and everyone shakes their head at when he brags about the thug life he's been apart of. A schizophrenic uncle who needs to be locked up in a mental hospital because of his imagined encounters. He's a clear case of "can't take it but dishes it out" for getting so butthurt about a meme and calling everyone else easily offended. It was so satisfying seeing ShortleeOdd verbally decimating him in the way he's been needing for the entirety of his career as a "mod".
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Post by Deleted on Mar 9, 2020 18:19:04 GMT
Here was RedneckGarmin's typical word salad reply to the thread
Heightism is real.
Agreed! There are many isms that are real, heightism is definitely one of them. It is easily measured, quantified, and though it is defined a bit loosely it is a real thing.
And it is brutal.
As isms go, it's probably not the most brutal. It really doesn't have a significant effect on anyone's day-to-day life except in regards to dating and to a much lesser extent first impressions.
Doesn't make it right, doesn't make it acceptable, but outside of this subreddit it is not really a deep burning societal problem.
Some women are jerks.
Women are people. Approximately half of all people. And some people are jerks. It's going to happen.
BikerBats is old.
There are members of this sub who range from teens to retirees, he is somewhere in between. If many of you were actually as smart as you believe yourselves to be, you would listen to the voices of experience. Some of us have a lot more experience than you, and different experiences as well.
Vive la difference!
Yea, it's not a "deep burning societal problem" when it causes short men to get rejected from jobs, be physically attacked much more often, be treated as invisible, be insulted in ways everyone else can't be, and recently caused a running candidate to drop out because he has no chance due to it? He obviously got offended by the ageism thing because he's associating age with wisdom when he clearly lacks in that department. It's obvious he also is using his past experiences as a fallback to ignore the current times and invalidate heightism. If he was "as smart as he believes", he wouldn't disregard the experience of younger, more modern opinions from people who don't cling onto the 50's and see the world for what it is today. What a complete tool.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 10, 2020 5:52:50 GMT
I forgot to add I point I had thought of earlier that really hits home just how sensitive he is. The word "boomer" isn't even an insult, it's a classification. Just as NonNomPuffs said: Why did you active ops to make this comment? What rule was being broken here? He wasn't being derisive based on your age. He was being derisive because of your mental era. There is a difference between somebody mocking you by saying that your brain is slow because you're old, vs somebody saying that your brain is perfectly fine, but the CONTENT inside of it is outdated. This was not ageism, and as a concerned user, I would appreciate it if you were less arbitrary in your usage of moderation powers, for the good of this subreddit.So it's even worse because he's not going into mod mode because of an actual personal attack, but because he can't even handle being labeled in a way that defines the era he grew up in, not even a personal attack like I said. Yea...Momma didn't raise a pussy. And to add onto this, he said he's now enforcing a rule of only being able to attack anything that isn't one of his immutable traits,and he included height in that list when we all know he says he doesn't get insulted for it, it doesn't matter to him, i.e he basically showed all of his poker cards . It's also probably a good idea he enforce such a rule , going by how he reacts to a mere label and a meme that originated from teenagers. Wouldn't a pussy also be more likely to still go by what his mom told him when he was a kid as a 60 year old, rather than being an independent thinker like most grown men who are able to see outside their upbringing?
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Post by Heightism Report on Mar 10, 2020 6:17:04 GMT
Those are some damn good points! Boomer is just merely a generational descriptor, not an insult. However, the fact that he labels everyone an "incel" when they disagree with him is certainly an insult. He doesn't stop there though because he moderates the board in such a way where he deletes and bans people based on deciding who is an incel and who isn't. So, while he's running around saying "mama said" repeatedly like Adam Sandler's character in the Waterboy, and rambling about how "mama didn't raise a pussy," why is he so terrified of incels that he has to hide behind a computer labeling people incels and then ban them? I'm thinking he's projecting. I'm also thinking it's time for Mama to make him put his big-boy footed pajamas on and sleep in his own bed.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 10, 2020 6:31:23 GMT
Great point, he throws the word incel around like candy, a definitive insult,but as I gave in my very recent post, he claims to be anti ad-hominem while keeping that go-to buzzword in his shirt pocket for everyone to see. Oddly enough I don't think he called anyone an incel in that thread , probably because the topic wasn't about women's role in heightism or anyone talking about how little heightism short women face compared to short men. I guess there's a first time for everything.
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Post by Heightism Report on Mar 10, 2020 6:44:29 GMT
Great point, he throws the word incel around like candy, a definitive insult,but as I gave in my very recent post, he claims to be anti ad-hominem while keeping that go-to buzzword in his shirt pocket for everyone to see. Oddly enough I don't think he called anyone an incel in that thread , probably because the topic wasn't about women's role in heightism or anyone talking about how little heightism short women face compared to short men. I guess there's a first time for everything. I agree with your analysis on why he hasn't taken that road yet. If the right buttons get pressed though, he'll certainly move in that direction. On the other hand, even though he hasn't pulled the incel card, further down the thread, he's white knighting for fair maidens by agreeing with a premise that modern relationships rely on sexist notions of women acting as servants for men. His evidence is a study that he refuses to name specifically. That guy's brain is a wasteland of shrimp boat bilge water and other assorted useless sludge.
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Post by Heightism Report on Mar 10, 2020 6:56:03 GMT
And to add onto this, he said he's now enforcing a rule of only being able to attack anything that isn't one of his immutable traits, and he included height in that list when we all know he says he doesn't get insulted for it, it doesn't matter to him, i.e he basically showed all of his poker cards . It's also probably a good idea he enforce such a rule , going by how he reacts to a mere label and a meme that originated from teenagers. hahahaha! I just re-read your post and the point about how he's outlawing comments about his height, even though one of his main talking points has always been that no one would dare criticize his height. Once again, he has been slaughtered. We'll add this to the pile with him only believing anecdotal evidence from women and no one ever commenting on his height, yet, he finds it necessary to memorize snappy comeback lines for when people degrade him in-regard to his height. We have repeatedly empirically proven that he is a jackass.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 10, 2020 7:04:53 GMT
Not to take away from Boomer, but as if every thread didn't have enough "what about wahmen" imaginary opression, I spotted a 5'3" womensplainer in her natural habitat, trying to justify her preferences for tall men, acting like all of society isn't cheering her on for rejecting short men and as if women are held to higher standards.
Too often I've seen people on here become upset/offended over the preferences of others on this sub. To me this comment came off as accepting of preferences and this comment coming from a short man was refreshing to me.
I wonder why short men would be upset about being considered non-worthy of dating,hmmm... I like how she gave a little internet cookie to a garmin she was applauding for his "bravery"
I love tall men, but really I just prefer men that are attractive to me. It's just a nice bonus if they're tall.
I have preferences just like every guy in here. I've seen guys here openly state their preference of taller women and get cheered on for it, but god forbid a short or average height woman states her preference of taller men. It's hypocritical.
Sounds familiar to those short women who "accidentally" end up with men over 6 feet tall routinely. Women like this are complete fucking morons acting like they're in the minority praising tall men, and are being bashed for their preferences rather than applauded because women always right.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 10, 2020 7:23:00 GMT
This evidence? Nah, that's fair dude. This sub looooooves studies so let's see how much they love these studies: I can't count the ones from the last 5 years that show that men and women, even when both employed still don't share equal responsibility around the house. Women bear a disproportionate brunt of most of it.
Boomer the type to write an academic paper, only use anecdotes, forget his MLA citations and get booted from the class. Those hypothetically unquantifiable amount of studies, such damning pieces of literature.
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Post by Heightism Report on Mar 10, 2020 7:23:39 GMT
Not to take away from Boomer, but as if every thread didn't have enough "what about wahmen" imaginary opression, I spotted a 5'3" womensplainer in her natural habitat, trying to justify her preferences for tall men, acting like all of society isn't cheering her on for rejecting short men and as if women are held to higher standards. Too often I've seen people on here become upset/offended over the preferences of others on this sub. To me this comment came off as accepting of preferences and this comment coming from a short man was refreshing to me.I wonder why short men would be upset about being considered non-worthy of dating,hmmm... I like how she gave a little internet cookie to a garmin she was applauding for his "bravery" I love tall men, but really I just prefer men that are attractive to me. It's just a nice bonus if they're tall. I have preferences just like every guy in here. I've seen guys here openly state their preference of taller women and get cheered on for it, but god forbid a short or average height woman states her preference of taller men. It's hypocritical.Sounds familiar to those short women who "accidentally" end up with men over 6 feet tall routinely. Women like this are complete fucking morons acting like they're in the minority praising tall men, and are being bashed for their preferences rather than applauded because women always right. Thank you for posting that one here! I was going to post something about it, but there's so much foolery in that thread, it's difficult to address all of it. It is not merely "preference" to openly hate on short men and women who date them. At which point she started a hateful dialogue about short men and women who date short men, it stopped being preference and started being prejudice. Notice, how this woman doesn't care about the woman whose preference is to date short men, she only cares about the woman who is disgusted by short men and is equally as disgusted by women who date short men. She came by to scold short men who rightfully object to the prejudice(not preference) displayed, and she even threw some scraps to a Garmin who was defending the hateful scumbucket OP is friends with.
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Post by HeightismAOS on Mar 11, 2020 15:16:25 GMT
I've become too tired of that subreddit to read through all their drivel these days, so I'll just say this:
I can't take anyone seriously if they think ageism is a problem but heightism isn't. They are both real. A person is more at risk when they're old, just like when they're small. An old person might be taken less seriously because people think they're senile and out of touch, just like how a short person is taken less seriously because smallness is linked to childhood. At least an old person was once young, but a short person has never been tall. There's also no "short man syndrome/napoleon complex" label used to keep old folk in line.
The best part is that if Biker was 6'5, he could be older and dumber than he already is, yet people would take him more seriously because he'd be more imposing.
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Post by Heightism Report on Mar 11, 2020 21:10:11 GMT
I've become too tired of that subreddit to read through all their drivel these days, so I'll just say this: I can't take anyone seriously if they think ageism is a problem but heightism isn't. They are both real. A person is more at risk when they're old, just like when they're small. An old person might be taken less seriously because people think they're senile and out of touch, just like how a short person is taken less seriously because smallness is linked to childhood. At least an old person was once young, but a short person has never been tall. There's also no "short man syndrome/napoleon complex" label used to keep old folk in line. The best part is that if Biker was 6'5, he could be older and dumber than he already is, yet people would take him more seriously because he'd be more imposing. You're right as always about both being empirically-proven issues, and I think his acceptance of ageism and denial of heightism shows how most short guys live in abject terror of challenging the status-quo when it comes to heightism. Boomer readily admits that his feelings are hurt by ageist memes, but Mama told him not to be a pussy when it comes to heightism. He's 5'1, and knows damn well he's treated differently. However, he will only voice displeasure with young people insulting his age online. Maybe if he'd run in circles with people his own age, he wouldn't be so terrified of not fitting in. You're also right about how if he were 6'5 and older, he would be treated better than he is now. Some of the worst instances of heightism I've encountered have been the result of older talls. As a matter of fact, in some cases, they're worse than the younger ones because they don't have youth on their side, but they can still use their tallness to get what they want(in addition to hiding behind elder abuse laws) They act a lot like feminists who use the benefits of chivalry to get away with anything and everything.
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Post by HeightismAOS on Mar 12, 2020 0:14:25 GMT
I think his acceptance of ageism and denial of heightism shows how most short guys live in abject terror of challenging the status-quo when it comes to heightism. Boomer readily admits that his feelings are hurt by ageist memes, but Mama told him not to be a pussy when it comes to heightism. This is what happens when short men are conditioned by society to "never confirm the angry short man stereotype." Old people have no such shackle, and thus can call out age bias whenever they please. Ageism also affects both men and women, but heightism affects men much more starkly, and we all know how people don't care about male issues. It's a shame how so many short guys, both young and old, fail to understand all this.
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