Let's talk about feminists and height discrimination

This is an excellently written, top notch post, and it feels like you typed out my exact thoughts over a period of time about heightism. I totally agree with this trend, and I've seen it for a long time. We know how feminists will duck, dodge, weave, and pull all mental gymnastics under the sun to pin anything (especially height related) on the patriarchy, but when it comes time to talk about women's role, it's checkout time. This whole always blame the patriarchy idea is completely convoluted to me as well, if women have their own agency, how can they continue to blame anything to do with the patriarchy for heightism, and why do we never see women as a whole held accountable. It makes it maddening, because heightism can only be discussed on feminist spaces if we weave our way around the word women. That men's lib post is human rubbish at it's finest. Why can't short men fall into "devolving" blame onto women? Why are they talking about "blaming women" on a sub for male issues? What kind of a world are we in where kissing women's asses is more important than having a venting place for men who experience heightism and have to stifle themselves?Oh wait, it's because women have to be respected even on a forum for the opposite gender, you uncultured inkwells!

Forevermore, as you pointed out so eloquently, one couldn't find even a handful of studies on men placing importance on height, but it only takes a couple of minutes to find out in almost all societies, women fetishize height as a whole. In addition, It's not even funny how many feminists I too have seen using the no-true scotchman fallacy, and women in general "not all women/ feminists are like that", which is ridiculously hypocritical considering how many people see through "not all men", the exact same shut down trope,. You can also notice the first commenter  used the either/or fallacy in the first comment There was NO in between. My choice to cope was either to fall down the rabbit hole with the others to find support, or to shut my mouth and deal with it, alone. I don't regret my decision to go with the latter one bit, but it still shouldn't be that way.. You can shut up, blame  women rightfully in your height for their ridiculous height preferences and perpetuation of short male stereotypes,and still being successful in the workplace. Anything to do with the patriarchy in reference to heightism makes people think very black and white, especially as we when they scream "patriarchy" at the top of their lungs like buffoons without identifying the true root causes.

On the upside, that r/short thread was one of the best i've seen in calling out the BS, even if there were only about 10 comments, and that top comment would have been gold star worthy if it was posted here. I totally agree that the more awake you are, the more feminists expect you to watch their mouth around them. It seems to apply for every feminist who comes in contact with us and approves of heightism,  I also see a very strong correlation with anti-feminists and reacting appropriately when heightism is called out by a short man. For example, you see the most positive reactions on totally unmoderated comments, like youtube and right wing reddit spaces, but you couldn't imagine any feminist even talking about heightism, much less calling it out the same way they would fat shaming- but you said it best, they wouldn't have standards if they didn't have double standards.

Heightism AOS, as usual, you come with well-researched heat that adds to the narrative. There's good discussion everywhere in this thread.

On the belief that heightism is to be blamed on men(by the use of patriarchy,) at a bare minimum, short men should be excluded from the expectation of caring about patriarchy. The reason is because if we aren't granted the power to challenge women who hate short men, how are we supposed to address patriarchy? Their argument is that heightist=patriarchy, therefore, heightists=partiarchists, so why can't we aggressively challenge heightist women if the end-result will be dismantling patriarchy? Do they want our help or not? Furthermore, you can't make a powerless group by even more powerless by always policing their tone and tactics and then expect that group to help you with your own issues. You can't strip someone of their voice and then complain that they aren't speaking in your favor. This is what white knights at places like r/short will never understand. These women not only see these white knights as pathetic men who deserve to be degraded, they also see them as being "at fault" for their(the women's) own hateful beliefs about them(the white knights.) They'll allow these white knights to jump through as many hoops as they desire, but the second they want these women to assist them for any reason, it'll be time to put them back in their place with stereotypes, relative privation fallacies, and their lack of one-sided chivalry will be classified as misogyny.

Also, the notion of "male privilege" is heavily based on the belief that all men receive the same amount of rewards in society. Men are said to be granted more respect, deference in conversation, granted more personal space, assumed to be leaders, and experience a never-ending halo effect. Wow...wonder what group of men receives all of those perks? It's certainly not short men who are receiving those perks. So, basically, the short man is being judged to be privileged based on privileges that are exclusively granted to tall men. So, to reiterate, it's our fault that women are heightist, and now, we're adding another burden where short men are to be judged as patriarchal oppressors when we don't receive any of the benefits of said oppressive abilities. If women want to dismantle patriarchy and male privilege, they should certainly be going after tall men because they are the ones who receive all of the benefits of male-ness just by mere participation in life. They won't do that though. Even women who address heightism absolutely refuse to put any blame on tall men. We've had a few on this forum and not one of them would converse in a way that called tall men or women out for their roles in heightism. At best, they would speak in generalities so as to not get specific about who the perpetrators are. Think about that for a minute. They have such an affinity for tall men that they can't even fake dissatisfaction with tall men's role in heightism on an anonymous forum. In general, women are obsessed with tall men(to the point of it almost being worship) and refuse to see them in a negative light as a group, while on the other hand, they have absolutely no problems seeing short men in a negative light, up-to and including wishing short men would be rounded-up and sent away, or even exterminated. We've had women on this very forum attempt to tone police the men here and tell us "not to confirm stereotypes" about short men. Then, those same women support outspoken feminists who don't mince words. They couldn't be more transparent if they tried.

We're also always bombarded with the "feminism addresses discrimination against everyone" talking point. Well, we've already covered how that playsp-out, which is in such a way that it shifts the blame away from women for their role in creating society's messes. So, that's not really helping "everyone," and it's certainly not helping short men. Like HeightismAOS said, he'll change his view when he sees a handful of feminists start supporting short men who are outspoken about heightism. This is why I've always left the door open for allies from all walks of life. The fact that I leave the door open and there is still no one knocking speaks volumes about how much other groups really care about "equality for everyone." The longer we go without any of these groups even making a half-assed attempt to work with us, the more evidence we have that heightism is an ingrained prejudice where people will rally together to ensure that short men are granted less-and-less consideration in society.

Yes, women(especially short women) should ally with short men because many of our issues are applicable across gender lines, but the last thing (short) women want is to be grouped with a subset of men that they not only have a great contempt for, but also want to defend the practice of openly degrading that subset of men, while crowing about social injustices out of the other side of their mouths. The jig is up. We see these women for what they are.

No, I get what you're saying. You can link a tweet of a woman bashing short men, which has thousands of likes/retweets, and people will say "those are just random shallow bitches online, ignore them because most women aren't like this." But these same people will look at some post from /r/shortcels with 20 upvotes and say "this is why people don't like short men, we can sense your toxicity in real life."