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Post by Deleted on Oct 3, 2019 21:32:00 GMT
5'8"-9 users on r/short and here are pretty rare, but i'm staring to notice a alarmingly significant amount of posters in that exact range that are for some reason more aware about heightism than actual short people, think they suffer from it, and that they're being discriminated against. I just can't understand how someone who is taller than almost half of men, towers the average woman, and is nowhere near the height of a child could think they're oppressed and a minority. I'm starting to think 95% of them are actually around my height and are embellishing their heights because of heightism, because I can't see how they would think they belong in a group full of men 2-8" shorter than them or that their height holds them back in any way, with the exception of the ones who live in a tall country/ celebrities who are taller than average. What's your take?
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Post by Heightism Report on Oct 3, 2019 23:44:17 GMT
Be careful not to fall into the same gatekeeping trap as r/short where they frame 5'8ish men as somehow worse than talls. Yes, these guys don't feel the all-out emasculation and scorn that guys who are objectively short feel, but heightism has gotten worse to where guys who are closer to average are feeling it much more so than they used to. I have a 5'8 family member who constantly gets roasted about his height both IRL and on his social media pages. He happens to associate with complete idiots so this is to be expected, but I have seen it happen numerous times. He doesn't face the amount of animus, scorn, and judgment that someone who is below 5'6 would feel, but based on my knowledge, guys who are 5'8ish certainly do feel at-least some of the effects of heightism.
The only guys that height I have an issue with are the ones who deny the severity of heightism or give idiotic advice to guys who are objectively short about how they can overcome heightism by "owning their height" or some other empty nonsense. Those guys aren't qualified to diminish the reality that objectively-short guys experience, but many of them certainly do understand that their lives would be somewhat different if they were a few inches taller.
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Post by HeightismAOS on Oct 4, 2019 3:02:57 GMT
Other forms of discrimination are increasingly more frowned upon, so heightism is steadily getting worse because it's one of the few remaining outlets people have. This means even 5'8 and 5'9 guys are feeling the burn. People are also more superficial than ever due to things like Tinder and Instagram. These dudes see things like "If you're under 5'10 then you shouldn't exist" or "What do you call guys under 6 foot? Friends." So they're starting to wake up.
Anyway, we don't gatekeep here because I've seen dwarfs do the same thing. "I'm 4'5 and I love being a garmin, so you regular short guys have no excuse!"
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Post by Deleted on Oct 4, 2019 3:21:29 GMT
I apologize that this post was getting into gatekeeping territory, I was referring to the ones who think they’re extremely short and exaggerate what they face, since people that size don’t look out of place at all for the most part. Not that they can’t face discrimination. I see now I can’t speak for other people as I was trying to in this post about how valid the heightism they face is just by their height..
I see now that I begin exclusive in this post, I just didn’t understand the ones who thought they were *extremely* short and face the same stigma people under 5’7” do. But I see I was gatekeeping, and I apologize for the way I wrote this post.
It was directed towards the ones who think they face constant heightism, but with multiple things I hadn’t thought of (6 foot standard, example of a 5’8” friend who gets treated like he’s shorter, online dating)that can cause 5’8-9 ish men to feel this way, Im now going to start looking at it from a more inclusive perspective.
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Post by Heightism Report on Oct 4, 2019 7:12:13 GMT
I apologize that this post was getting into gatekeeping territory, I was referring to the ones who think they’re extremely short and exaggerate what they face, since people that size don’t look out of place at all for the most part. Not that they can’t face discrimination. I see now I can’t speak for other people as I was trying to in this post about how valid the heightism they face is just by their height.. I see now that I begin exclusive in this post, I just didn’t understand the ones who thought they were *extremely* short and face the same stigma people under 5’7” do. But I see I was gatekeeping, and I apologize for the way I wrote this post. It was directed towards the ones who think they face constant heightism, but with multiple things I hadn’t thought of (6 foot standard, example of a 5’8” friend who gets treated like he’s shorter, online dating)that can cause 5’8-9 ish men to feel this way, Im now going to start looking at it from a more inclusive perspective. No apology needed because nowrongdoing took place. This forum is a place for discussion, so we enjoy our posters sharing their opinions and learning from one another. You titled the post accurately so that we knew you were calling-out a certain subset of 5'8-5'9 men, thus, I knew you weren't all-out excluding them, but I just wanted to make sure that no one who reads this would think we were gatekeeping in the same way r/short does on this issue. Yeah though, if there are 5'8ish guys equating what they experience with someone who's 5'2 etc, they are definitely being ridiculous, so your point is noted
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Post by Cole Geass on Dec 17, 2019 12:37:35 GMT
Heightism is getting worse also due to social media and online dating. Any website in which height is used as a measurement or search filter can weed out those women deem too short for their liking. Most women in their 20s are going to set their search results for men "6-6'6''" and find only a few guys that won't pan out, and then they'll wonder "where have all the good men gone?" meanwhile guys of average height are wondering why they are being oppressed for being average height.
The sad fact is that heightism is not something women will mature out of. It exists in them even as they reach middle age. The only thing that reduces is their pickiness, and not in all cases. They might expand their search results to 5'10'' to 6'8'' once they reach 30, and if they're still on dating sites in their 40s, then expanding even further is the only option for them, as age/weight/health is higher on men's priorities rather than height is for women, which is at the very tip top of their priorities.
Guys like us UNDER the average height though will never been unfiltered from search results. Even as women shorter than even us in the 4'11' to 5'4'' range lurk those sites. It's not enough for a man to just be taller than them. They care so much about their social status that they won't risk dating a "short man." Women also compare boyfriends height and being the girl with the shortest boyfriend of the group is a social status killer and no woman wants to be "that girl."
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Post by Deleted on Jan 13, 2020 16:33:28 GMT
The tallest a guy can be in America and have a legitimate claim to be a victim of heightism is 5'7", IMO.
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Post by Heightism Report on Jan 14, 2020 17:16:51 GMT
The tallest a guy can be in America and have a legitimate claim to be a victim of heightism is 5'7", IMO. Mathematically speaking, average height is around 5'9, thus, any man shorter than that is certifiably short and can face at-least some of the aspects of heightism.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2020 19:11:15 GMT
The tallest a guy can be in America and have a legitimate claim to be a victim of heightism is 5'7", IMO. Mathematically speaking, average height is around 5'9, thus, any man shorter than that is certifiably short and can face at-least some of the aspects of heightism. I agree that it is possible for any man below average height to face a negligible amount of heightism. But i believe the tallest a man can be in America and suffer to a significant degree of heightism is 5'7". Just my opinion.
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Post by Heightism Report on Jan 14, 2020 19:35:14 GMT
Mathematically speaking, average height is around 5'9, thus, any man shorter than that is certifiably short and can face at-least some of the aspects of heightism. I agree that it is possible for any man below average height to face a negligible amount of heightism. But i believe the tallest a man can be in America and suffer to a significant degree of heightism is 5'7". Just my opinion. Why would you have a height that specific as a cut-off point?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2020 20:27:01 GMT
I agree that it is possible for any man below average height to face a negligible amount of heightism. But i believe the tallest a man can be in America and suffer to a significant degree of heightism is 5'7". Just my opinion. Why would you have a height that specific as a cut-off point? To provide a sense of perspective. There has to be a height in which a person is no longer qualified to speak from personal experience about suffering from heightism.
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Post by Heightism Report on Jan 14, 2020 20:29:53 GMT
Why would you have a height that specific as a cut-off point? To provide a sense of perspective. There has to be a height in which a person is no longer qualified to speak from personal experience about suffering from heightism. How does dropping the cutoff from the scientifically-proven height where shortness begins adding any perspective? Are you at some point going to make some posts that talk about heightism, or are you just going to argue about caveman feelings and arbitrary cutoff points that you've decided on your own?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2020 20:33:45 GMT
To provide a sense of perspective. There has to be a height in which a person is no longer qualified to speak from personal experience about suffering from heightism. How does dropping the cutoff from the scientifically-proven height where shortness begins adding any perspective? We need a sense of perspective to avoid the false logic of a 5'9" guy or a 5'8" guy saying to awakened short people: "i am short. I have never been discriminated against for being short. Heightism is all in your minds."
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Post by Heightism Report on Jan 14, 2020 20:38:16 GMT
How does dropping the cutoff from the scientifically-proven height where shortness begins adding any perspective? We need a sense of perspective to avoid the false logic of a 5'9" guy saying to awakened short people: "i am short. I have never been discriminated against for being short. Heightism is all in your minds." I fully agree with that.(I think that's even been mentioned in this thread) Any 5'9 guy who tries to "school" a guy several inches shorter on how heightism doesn't exist needs to be immediately told to walk the plank. However, in this thread, I also mentioned that I've seen examples of 5'8 men facing heightism. When you consider this in-addition to the fact that there are 5'2 men(such as bikerbats from r/short) who deny that heightism exists, you start realizing that it's unproductive to make an arbitrary cutoff point as a blanket rejection of all opinions from men 5'7 and above. That type of gatekeeping doesn't work in a wholesale manner when there are short men who deny heightism exists, and almost-average height men who understand the mechanics of heightism. Any day of the week, I'll take a million 5'7 guys who can speak about heightism productively over one 5'2 coward who hides behind false bravado and ignorance. Edit: Besides, the fact that 5'8 men do face some elements of heightism lends even more credibility to the notion that men who are several inches shorter than average face a far more severe version of heightism. Basically, the 5'7-5'8 guys help our argument as long as they aren't denying the existence of heightism
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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2020 20:44:25 GMT
We need a sense of perspective to avoid the false logic of a 5'9" guy saying to awakened short people: "i am short. I have never been discriminated against for being short. Heightism is all in your minds." I fully agree with that.(I think that's even been mentioned in this thread) Any 5'9 guy who tries to "school" a guy several inches shorter on how heightism exists needs to be immediately told to walk the plank. However, in this thread, I also mentioned that I've seen examples of 5'8 men facing heightism. When you consider this in-addition to the fact that there are 5'2 men(such as bikerbats from r/short) who denies that heightism exists, you start realizing that it's unproductive to make an arbitrary cutoff point as a blanket rejection of all opinions from men 5'7 and above. I would do a blanket rejection of all opinions about heightism from men 5'8" and above. I don't think i have ever been to /r short. I strongly suspect that bikerbats is being dishonest. We all know that anyone can write anything they want in anonymous message boards. Bikerbats is probably either lying about his height or bikerbats does not really believe his own argument that heightism does not exist.
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