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Post by Heightism Report on Mar 25, 2017 7:34:48 GMT
I had been looking for this article, then fjohnson, who is a member here, linked to it in one of his comments. I'm so glad he found it. This article is an interesting take because the original author has lived life both as a tall woman and a short man.(5'9) Think about how harsh the wakeup call would've been if he were not basically average height? Anyway, even at 5'9, he discovers that life as a man, especially a short man isn't exactly a bowl of cherries. This is an extremely compelling article because it shows the harsh realities we face on the basis that heightism affects men much more severely, which causes us a lot of difficulties because society doesn't take men's issues seriously. Then, there's the whole torrent of hatred, judgment, and contempt for short men that drives heightism not being taken seriously. Anyway, this trans guy has an extremely interesting take on the issue. I've seen a few other accounts of this sort online too. libertyviral.com/is-living-life-better-as-a-man-or-woman-a-transgender-tells-hisher-story/Here's the part of the story that deals with height. "When I identified as female, I was somehow awesome for being on the taller end of femme, but now? Now I’ve been called a “manlet” for being a hair under average male height – because apparently men get to be treated like shit for something that they can’t control. I’ve also noticed that, while dating women, a lot of them won’t even go NEAR you if you’re under 6 feet tall. Which is bullshit. As I’m bisexual it didn’t really matter too much to me, but I did notice something anectodally interesting – gay men and bisexual men don’t generally give a flying flip if you’re short or tall as long as there is chemistry between you. But of course, men are the judgemental ones, right guies?"
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Post by luro2020 on Mar 25, 2017 14:11:51 GMT
I don't want to go off topic, but has heightism gotten so bad that even 5'9 guys are short now, or was that facetious? I know it's not an insult to be identified as short, but knowing I don't face discrimination makes it much easier to fight heightism, my mind works like that.
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Post by Heightism Report on Mar 25, 2017 19:25:30 GMT
I'd say it's not out of the realm of possibility for it to have gotten worse for averageish-height guys because of Hollywood, the worship of tall athletes, women's obsession with heels, the feminist women "deserve it all" narrative where just barely tall "isn't good enough," and having a guy taller than her when she's wearing x-inch heels, and of course, the maniacal focus on the 6 ft mark being the gateway into manhood, but most of the absolute vitriol will always be experienced by guys closer to the height of most women and children by extension. You'd most definitely know it if you were experiencing the worst of it. Every interaction you had with others would change and you'd notice that your behavior, words, the way you walked, the clothes you wear, your hobbies, and everything else about you would be scrutinized and dismissed, sometimes in an unspoken manner, but sometimes directly. You're also tall enough not to experience the constant being shoved around on sidewalks, having people reaching over your head with full drinks at the bar, being physically crowded out of conversations, being ignored by servers and store employees, etc. Basically, the definition of short is probably expanding so some of the negative effects of heightism that used to be reserved for those whoa are objectively short may be moving onto guys who are closer to average height, but it's a physical impossibility for many of the aspects to expand into the average height range unless society gets extremely taller in the coming years.
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Post by Cole Geass on May 8, 2017 18:55:00 GMT
I don't want to go off topic, but has heightism gotten so bad that even 5'9 guys are short now, or was that facetious? I know it's not an insult to be identified as short, but knowing I don't face discrimination makes it much easier to fight heightism, my mind works like that. It's very simple. Women "date up." It's MGTOW theory, well it's actually been around a lot longer than MGTOW, but the idea of women "dating up" has been a historical tradition. A woman from an average family wants to marry a man from a wealthier family because wealth is seen as status. Height is just another source of status, so a woman marrying a tall man results in more social status than a marrying a man of average height. So no, not even average height is enough.
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Post by luro2020 on May 8, 2017 21:17:45 GMT
Cole, I'm sorry for how harsh I was earlier but we can't operate like this. Dating and our actual heights are not the real aspects of heightism, also I know what hypergamy is, and height is only one factor in dating, but it's extemely important to society and we're trying to change that, not focus on dating concepts, but the "average is not good enough" is ok because you were responding to a question that was asked that way.
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Post by Heightism Report on May 8, 2017 23:13:45 GMT
Cole, I'm sorry for how harsh I was earlier but we can't operate like this. Dating and our actual heights are not the real aspects of heightism, also I know what hypergamy is, and height is only one factor in dating, but it's extemely important to society and we're trying to change that, not focus on dating concepts, but the "average is not good enough" is ok because you were responding to a question that was asked that way. It's so refreshing that you and others here understand that heightism isn't about dating, although there are dating concepts that are intrinsically-linked with the heightism story. The fact that short men are assumed to lack social status is a heightist notion that bleeds into the dating sector. The fact that women will see short men as a temporary prop for their entertainment until "the tall man they deserve" enters the picture is also another way that short men being viewed as lesser coalesces with the dating psyche. The fact that all of these negative beliefs about short men will lead to a woman feeling like she is "settling" for a short man is also a heightist mentality that festers in the dating world. I think we can also discuss the double-standards about how women are allowed to dismiss men harshly based on their height, but if a woman is ever "not good enough," even for things she can change about herself, it's all of a sudden a social justice violation against women. However, all of these things I just mentioned affect far more facets of life than dating. All of these negative assumptions can affect getting a job, being promoted, having your words and body language interpreted as reasons to attack you, the amount of responsibility people assume you can handle, and many other parts of life. So, it would be a disservice to base a large percentage of the discussion on the way it affects dating when there are so many other issues that can affect you for a lifetime. People eventually find their niche in dating, whether they end-up single, divorced, happily-married, or just trying to pick-up random hookups, but the other issues have far-reaching ramifications that don't always get better with age. Regardless of whether we win the dating lottery(and it truly is a lottery) we're still going to want to move forward in other areas of life. Dating(or lack thereof) can ebb and flow and shouldn't be something that you make your focus for your entire lifetime, but as far as getting a fair shot to make your mark on the world, advancing in the company you work for, the company you build on your own, and making a difference of the people in your life, everyone is going to want to move forward in those aspects of their life regardless of their dating status, which is why we need to focus mainly on those things.
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