A Great r/short Topic Becomes A Sad State of Affairs
Aug 25, 2019 3:40:15 GMT
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Post by Heightism Report on Aug 25, 2019 3:40:15 GMT
Thread Title: "Why are short men constantly coerced into "making fun of yourself," but we don't see the same pressure on women to make fun of their weight, breast size, etc.?"
"A woman could self-deprecate about her body if she wants, but even if she doesn't, then I don't think anybody gets mad at her about it. I'm not entitled to a woman putting on a jester routine for my own personal enjoyment. So then why do men have to dance on cue?"
https://www.reddit.com/r/short/comments/cuvh4t/why_are_short_men_constantly_coerced_into_making/
OP makes a fantastic point about how short men are pressured to act like what we refer to here as "Garmins," yet, women aren't pressured to do the same. People literally become angry at short men who refuse to self-deprecate or join-in on the "fun" when others berate them. A short man can be as eloquent, even-keeled, and as worthy as he can be, but unless he relieves the discomfort others have about his shortness, there will always be at-least an unspoken uneasiness until he makes light of his height. Let's dissect the logic behind this. Society has such an ingrained hatred toward male shortness that they feel uncomfortable just by being in the presence of a short male, yet, instead of us trying to fix this unfounded hatred in society, we decide that it would be best to make short men dance a jig to make people comfortable with their hatred. This is the one of the main cornerstones behind why short men are expected to self-deprecate. Also, talls grow-up with the beliefs that short men are on this Earth to be used as props that they(the tallers) can use to reinforce their own superiority and to assert their dominance. A taller expects a short man to act like a court jester so that everyone present(especially women) will see the contest between the short, self-deprecating fool and the tall man who is "actually a real man." We also can't ignore the fact that women who hate short men enjoy watching short men prance around like peacocks because it reaffirms all of the stereotypes and stigmas they believe about short men, thus, they can breathe easy knowing that the short man knows his place. This "knowing his place" aspect is also something tallers can enjoy because they know a short man who dances a jig isn't going to be a threat to any of the perks the tall man stands to receive.
That's my take on things, but we have to examine some of the comments in the thread because as is to be expected, they show what a sad state of affairs short people have become when it comes to lapping-up the milk of their own subservience.
"I am not here to say that short women have the same problems as short men, I realize that we don't, at least as far as dating goes. But short women are teased all the time. I'm shortish (5'3") so I don't get it much, but my daughter is 5'0 and her nickname is Smol. I have a cousin who is 4'10" and it's definitely a thing people make (well meaning) jokes about."
First off, she did not comprehend the thread at all. Nothing she mentioned has anything to do with self-deprecating because it's all garden variety teasing where others are the ones doing the deprecation. There were other women in the thread who made the same misinterpretation. This is evidence that this pressure to self-deprecate is so foreign to them that they don't even know it exists, even when it is explained to them. Also, I guarantee you the jokes about her 4'10 cousin are anything but "well meaning." At best, they're just a way for others to bond on mocking a person they don't respect as an adult.
Here's a comment from a 4'9 woman.
"Oh I'm definitely pressured socially into making fun of my height. But I'm also ridiculously short.
I have to do it, sometimes it's the only way I can make people not so annoyed that I need a stool or can't reach something..."
She, at 4'9, obviously gets a more substantial dose of reality than the 5'3 woman who made the first comment. Look at the bold portion where she states her reasoning behind self-deprecating. Why are people annoyed if she needs a stool because she can't reach something? Can you imagine everyone getting mad at a taller because it takes them longer to reach something that is closer to the floor? It's no one's business if she needs a stool, thus, they are just using that as a means to express their dissatisfaction with her shortness, and they're getting away with it while she makes light of the situation. Think about this for a moment. She basically feels the need to apologize for her presence because people are annoyed by something that has nothing to do with them. This is the mentality that she and the rest of the defeated masses subscribe to when they make it their personal quest to ensure that everyone who disrespects them feels comfortable, even if the catalyst for their discomfort is pure hatred. Short people have to stop this misguided mentality of altering their actions, words, tones, and everything else in an apologetic attempt to make bigoted individuals feel comfortable. This is pure madness.
And then there's Yamoth who is probably the angriest Garmin to ever infest r/short
"It called self deprecating humor and it ain't exclusive to short people. Furthermore, ain't nobody coerced you into making them. Grow some spine and stop blaming your shit on other people."
I'm not going to elaborate too much on his slobbering rubbish, but he's saying that OP is blaming his shit on other people when other people literally invented and are the exclusive perpetrators of the shit in question. I have nothing else to say about that.
There you have it folks. I think this thread alone gives a pretty good indication of how ready short people are to put together a worthwhile effort to change their station in society. I guess the good news is we've remained consistent. If I'd have quit studying and addressing heightism two weeks after I first started and came back ten years from now, we'd be in exactly the same place we are today. I could be wrong though because we could actually have regressed by then, so maybe we're not as consistent as I thought.
"A woman could self-deprecate about her body if she wants, but even if she doesn't, then I don't think anybody gets mad at her about it. I'm not entitled to a woman putting on a jester routine for my own personal enjoyment. So then why do men have to dance on cue?"
https://www.reddit.com/r/short/comments/cuvh4t/why_are_short_men_constantly_coerced_into_making/
OP makes a fantastic point about how short men are pressured to act like what we refer to here as "Garmins," yet, women aren't pressured to do the same. People literally become angry at short men who refuse to self-deprecate or join-in on the "fun" when others berate them. A short man can be as eloquent, even-keeled, and as worthy as he can be, but unless he relieves the discomfort others have about his shortness, there will always be at-least an unspoken uneasiness until he makes light of his height. Let's dissect the logic behind this. Society has such an ingrained hatred toward male shortness that they feel uncomfortable just by being in the presence of a short male, yet, instead of us trying to fix this unfounded hatred in society, we decide that it would be best to make short men dance a jig to make people comfortable with their hatred. This is the one of the main cornerstones behind why short men are expected to self-deprecate. Also, talls grow-up with the beliefs that short men are on this Earth to be used as props that they(the tallers) can use to reinforce their own superiority and to assert their dominance. A taller expects a short man to act like a court jester so that everyone present(especially women) will see the contest between the short, self-deprecating fool and the tall man who is "actually a real man." We also can't ignore the fact that women who hate short men enjoy watching short men prance around like peacocks because it reaffirms all of the stereotypes and stigmas they believe about short men, thus, they can breathe easy knowing that the short man knows his place. This "knowing his place" aspect is also something tallers can enjoy because they know a short man who dances a jig isn't going to be a threat to any of the perks the tall man stands to receive.
That's my take on things, but we have to examine some of the comments in the thread because as is to be expected, they show what a sad state of affairs short people have become when it comes to lapping-up the milk of their own subservience.
"I am not here to say that short women have the same problems as short men, I realize that we don't, at least as far as dating goes. But short women are teased all the time. I'm shortish (5'3") so I don't get it much, but my daughter is 5'0 and her nickname is Smol. I have a cousin who is 4'10" and it's definitely a thing people make (well meaning) jokes about."
First off, she did not comprehend the thread at all. Nothing she mentioned has anything to do with self-deprecating because it's all garden variety teasing where others are the ones doing the deprecation. There were other women in the thread who made the same misinterpretation. This is evidence that this pressure to self-deprecate is so foreign to them that they don't even know it exists, even when it is explained to them. Also, I guarantee you the jokes about her 4'10 cousin are anything but "well meaning." At best, they're just a way for others to bond on mocking a person they don't respect as an adult.
Here's a comment from a 4'9 woman.
"Oh I'm definitely pressured socially into making fun of my height. But I'm also ridiculously short.
I have to do it, sometimes it's the only way I can make people not so annoyed that I need a stool or can't reach something..."
She, at 4'9, obviously gets a more substantial dose of reality than the 5'3 woman who made the first comment. Look at the bold portion where she states her reasoning behind self-deprecating. Why are people annoyed if she needs a stool because she can't reach something? Can you imagine everyone getting mad at a taller because it takes them longer to reach something that is closer to the floor? It's no one's business if she needs a stool, thus, they are just using that as a means to express their dissatisfaction with her shortness, and they're getting away with it while she makes light of the situation. Think about this for a moment. She basically feels the need to apologize for her presence because people are annoyed by something that has nothing to do with them. This is the mentality that she and the rest of the defeated masses subscribe to when they make it their personal quest to ensure that everyone who disrespects them feels comfortable, even if the catalyst for their discomfort is pure hatred. Short people have to stop this misguided mentality of altering their actions, words, tones, and everything else in an apologetic attempt to make bigoted individuals feel comfortable. This is pure madness.
And then there's Yamoth who is probably the angriest Garmin to ever infest r/short
"It called self deprecating humor and it ain't exclusive to short people. Furthermore, ain't nobody coerced you into making them. Grow some spine and stop blaming your shit on other people."
I'm not going to elaborate too much on his slobbering rubbish, but he's saying that OP is blaming his shit on other people when other people literally invented and are the exclusive perpetrators of the shit in question. I have nothing else to say about that.
There you have it folks. I think this thread alone gives a pretty good indication of how ready short people are to put together a worthwhile effort to change their station in society. I guess the good news is we've remained consistent. If I'd have quit studying and addressing heightism two weeks after I first started and came back ten years from now, we'd be in exactly the same place we are today. I could be wrong though because we could actually have regressed by then, so maybe we're not as consistent as I thought.