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Post by Heightism Report on Mar 15, 2017 21:50:37 GMT
Yes sorry, I know i almost derailed it to trivial matters. It's ok man. I remember how it feels to finally step out of the shadows and start discussing these issues, so I know that you just want to make sure that people are open to hearing your contributions. This isn't an easy topic to discuss, and it takes a lot of resolve to discuss an issue knowing that most of the feedback from society is going to be negative. It certainly makes my day every time another short man comes forward, so just know that as long as you continue to educate yourself and contribute to this cause in a productive manner, I will certainly be in your corner. You're helping to build this forum, which is intended to be the the only continuous, intelligent, heightism discussion online(or anywhere for that matter) so I certainly am thankful that you're here. |
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Post by luro2020 on Mar 15, 2017 21:57:52 GMT
"It's almost like these people aren't in control of their conscious decisions and need rehab or some strong mental treatment, for this level of cognitive dissonance caused by these issues." Is how i feel, because these people correct themselves in any other discussion, but in heightism discussions they will make a concious effort to choose their wording so they seem like they are for heightism pursuit, while transparently being anti heightism pursuit. The short guy I talked to said "it really depends, some people need to bring other forms of discrimination in to understand heightism". No, they don't, they bring other forms to derail us, nobody unintentionally brings other prejudices into it to get a better understanding, because it shows they don't care enough to focus on heightism I am sure learning that celebrities fixation on people's actual heights and the media have a profound effect and arguably the only affect on the treatment of short men. An unanswered question i have is Why did Alfred Adler coin the term in the first place? Also I invited the short man in question to fight, but he better not be blaming our tone and delivery if he wants to contribute instead of take the microphone from us.
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Post by luro2020 on Mar 15, 2017 21:59:17 GMT
Thank you for the personal level of clarification, I just want people to recognize my contributions for what they are is all.
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Post by Heightism Report on Mar 15, 2017 22:13:54 GMT
"It's almost like these people aren't in control of their conscious decisions and need rehab or some strong mental treatment, for this level of cognitive dissonance caused by these issues." Is how i feel, because these people correct themselves in any other discussion, but in heightism discussions they will make a concious effort to choose their wording so they seem like they are for heightism pursuit, while transparently being anti heightism pursuit. The short guy I talked to said "it really depends, some people need to bring other forms of discrimination in to understand heightism". No, they don't, they bring other forms to derail us, nobody unintentionally brings other prejudices into it to get a better understanding, because it shows they don't care enough to focus on heightism I am sure learning that celebrities fixation on people's actual heights and the media have a profound effect and arguably the only affect on the treatment of short men. An unanswered question i have is Why did Alfred Adler coin the term in the first place? Also I invited the short man in question to fight, but he better not be blaming our tone and delivery if he wants to contribute instead of take the microphone from us. YES! You are absolutely right. The only time other causes are brought into the discussion is to shut us down. We're not allowed to use other causes to draw parallels with heightism either, or we're chastised for comparing heightism to "real discrimination." The whole thing is idiotic because we're not allowed to submit any evidence proving heightism is real discrimination and we're not allowed to make comparisons with other forms of discrimination in-order to put it in a context where people will understand it. As far as Alfred Adler inventing the term Napoleon Complex, I have no idea what he was doing other than justifying his own discriminatory beliefs. He had absolutely no evidence, but this theory of his has caused an atrocious amount of damage to the collective psyche in-regard to how they view short men. A lot of the stuff he and Freud came up with has been dismissed as utter nonsense, but people still cling to the Napoleon Complex myth because it justifies their bigoted beliefs, which is the same thing Adler was trying to do when he invented the myth to begin with. The field of Psychology doesn't even accept the myth, but folk wisdom often overrides scientific inquiry and objective evidence. |
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Post by luro2020 on Mar 15, 2017 22:27:18 GMT
Exactly. Most unenlightened short men say that we are just accused of being bitter or the fallacy of relative privitation is provoked, but it extends much further. They can bring in other prejudices, but when we call them on it, they lie and say it applies to all groups, so even those who aren't involved in the whole shindig are given special privileges. It extends to any parallels we draw either invalidate racism, are shut down with counter examples, or the assumption that "the people you wouldn't want to be around anyone" are not plentiful in society, but they run the show. They can compare heightism to other prejudices and draw parallels, but once we compare other prejudices to heightism we've done the biggest disservice by suggesting heightism deserves the same footing, and we've broken character.
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Post by luro2020 on Mar 15, 2017 22:28:54 GMT
**be around anyway
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Post by luro2020 on Mar 16, 2017 18:42:16 GMT
HeightismReport, I also did a paper and it shows women have issues dating men 5'5 and under, my source was Stature and stigma by Leslie Martel and Henry biller. To women,5'6 is short, 5'5 and under is expendable and subconciously perceived as boys/women by them. The real short guys who fall within 2 std deviations and are medically normal but are in >5th percentile (that 5'2-5'5" group) face the negative judgements and have not even reached "manhood", and they need men to be at least 2 inches taller,meaning on average 5'6" and taller.Are those are the short men that you are alluding to? Where did you get the book Stature and Stigma, by the way, and how much did u pay for it? Joe Amazon $35. I also have "The Height of Your Life" by Ralph keyes, $8,00 but the book focuses too much on the struggles of talls, and gives only pity and sympathy, to the same degree as we see, to short men. |
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Post by luro2020 on Mar 16, 2017 19:22:30 GMT
And basically goes through all the roles height plays in Hollywood without actually addressing short people being viewed as inferior, also I wrote a peer reviewed paper on height discrimination showing how hard it is for short people to get legal protection, should I post it?
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Post by Heightism Report on Mar 16, 2017 21:08:57 GMT
And basically goes through all the roles height plays in Hollywood without actually addressing short people being viewed as inferior, also I wrote a peer reviewed paper on height discrimination showing how hard it is for short people to get legal protection, should I post it? You most definitely should post that! That's the exact type of weaponry we need in order to fight these battles more successfully |
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Post by luro2020 on Mar 17, 2017 1:19:58 GMT
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Post by luro2020 on Mar 17, 2017 1:31:31 GMT
Heightismreport, do you have contact information so i can share it?
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Post by Heightism Report on Mar 17, 2017 17:17:18 GMT
Heightismreport, do you have contact information so i can share it? I just sent you a request to view it from a .edu email address. I'm looking forward to reading it. |
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Post by luro2020 on Mar 17, 2017 20:59:33 GMT
Note though I never state explicity society is to blame, I keep the focus on heightism and it clearly shows the media depiction is the issue.
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Post by Heightism Report on Mar 17, 2017 21:36:26 GMT
Note though I never state explicity society is to blame, I keep the focus on heightism and it clearly shows the media depiction is the issue. Just read it! Really great work! The fact that you even had the courage to write a school paper that you submitted on the topic puts you in the Anti-heightism Hall of Fame by itself. I really love the way you attacked the manner in which the academic world chooses to turn a blind eye to heightism and willingly denies every piece of evidence that is introduced. Pointing-out this issue needs to be one of our focal points moving forward. Your paper is the best I've seen in addressing that issue. A lot of people don't understand how major a force Academia can be when it decides to focus on an issue. There are entire academic departments with influence(and funding) that have shifted narratives in regard to almost every other form of discrimination, so you really are onto something with addressing the issue that those same academics choose to be willfully ignorant and dismissive of heightism. On the other hand, I had a Social Psychology professor who discussed the male-taller norm in class, and he treated the issue seriously. That's anecdotal, but my point is that there are academics who are starting to pry at height-related issues, so we need to try to get those people working together. Great job brother! We need a few hundred short men like you to help us push this boulder up the mountain, and we just might make some progress. |
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Post by luro2020 on Mar 17, 2017 22:11:57 GMT
Thanks so much heightismreport! Fortunately, i had an unbiased English professor who didn't have any qualms about me integrating heightism into a research paper, because it called for a definition of the prejudice. I really went to town attacking Academia's choice to ignore the issue, when scholars choose to blame shift short men, it needs to be taken seriously in Academia as Illustrated in the paper. I also integrated the citations that show that people's perception of short men is the issue, not their occupational skill level or inherent value and especially not their behavior in response to how they are treated, and that's a well argued piece that scholars won't even refute, and we need more school papers that focus on scholar's choice to ignore the issue and society in general.
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