Amazingly enough, one user calls her out on this flawed logic:
"If other people stereotype short men, then that is their problem. They are in the wrong for making assumptions about "all short men", not me. If I hold opinion X, I shouldn't have to change my opinion just because some heighest bigots conclude that since I believe X, all short people believe X. It's as ridiculous as asking a black person who likes watermelons to stop liking watermelons lest he perpetuates the racist stereotype. It seems as though you're implicitly justifying or rationalizing stereotyping short people, while ironically accusing us of being in the wrong for stereotyping women."
This all harkens back to my old series of posts on this topic, but this is literally the first time I've seen someone other than us see through this "reinforcing stereotypes" crap. Still, this is why /r/short is a bad place to talk about height discrimination, as even the mods are too stupid to see how they fall into heightist thinking. None of the people there would ever say, "Women should always be well behaved to prove angry men wrong."
Many frustrated young short men go on /r/short thinking it's the one place where they are free and equal, but they are wrong. They live in fear there of stereotypes, just like everywhere else in society. The only way to be welcome into /r/short nowadays (and I'll put this bluntly because we don't fear stereotypes over here), is to be a heightism denying white knight uncle tom.
Post by Heightism Report on Mar 31, 2018 18:14:27 GMT
R/short has had serious moderation issues for quite some time. In your confirming stereotypes posts, Garminbuba is using the "don't confirm stereotypes" talking point against me because he believes in tapdancing for tallers and letting them control our behavior with the threat of labels and stereotypes. He's not mentally capable of understanding the sociological forces that drive stereotypes, and is a lost cause because he is completely unteachable. In the linked post, we have a female mod who doesn't think short men should defend themselves, and in addition to that, she thinks women should never be criticized as a group. Imagine that. She can group short men together by stifling their reactions to discrimination, but it's misogyny for women to be criticized in the same way. I also like how the silly idiot thinks it's "baiting" when short men on r/short ask women about their dating preferences, but it isn't baiting when short women who hate short men come to r/short to talk about their love for tall men. She's most definitely intellectually inferior if she thinks we don't see through this nonsense.
In addition to this, Garminbuba admits that they are now banning "red pill" comments. They wont allow any discussion about how short men are affected by "hypergamy," which is the sociological concept where women are attracted to status and "marrying up," thus, your level of status indicates the way you will be treated by women, but they fully allow comments telling short men who talk about dating that they "are creepy misogynists who think women owe them sex." Those are literally different ends of the same sociological spectrum, yet, one is allowed and one is dismissed as inflammatory. Just like they do with dismissing posters they don't like as incels, and even banning them, they do the same thing with other comments that they decide are "red pill," even if there is only an indirect connection. They've developed an intricate system of censorship where they can use labels to justify banning any comments that don't cater to women.(Notice how this relates to the "confirming stereotypes" tactic because they are once again using the threat of labels to silence short men.)
Also, while they police the subreddit for incels, red-pillers, and misogynists, they conveniently ignore the fact that there are a number of women who only show-up to post when it's time to lambaste the men of r/short. However, not once has a mod even attempted to put a stop to this type of foolishness.
On the positive side of things though, you're right about it being refreshing to see the post that called the delusional mod out on her hypocrisy. Every time we see a rare, enlightened person fighting the good fight, we need to remind ourselves that we need to keep speaking unpopular truths because there are rational people out there who see the merit in discussing heightism the correct way. There are people out there who are tired of the foolishness and the illogical manner in which heightism is discussed, so we just need to figure-out ways to act more like a team, instead of being loosely-scattered individuals who just drop hit-and-run truth bombs.
Post by supportfortheshort on Apr 1, 2018 7:46:29 GMT
All of this is very old hat to me. If anyone is expecting that sewer of pathetic short people to ever wake up to heightism against short people, they're going to be waiting until Hell freezes over. Or maybe it's not quite fair to say that. I think some of the posters may be a bit awakened, but the mood of the sub-reddit is not serious. The moderators are dyed-in-the-wool politically correct garmins who I think may be trying to please the folks they perceive as their masters, and their masters I think, want them to keep any short people who go against the grain, in check. But even without the moderators doing such, the collective mental state of short people is one of subservience and a collective inferiority complex. The mods AND the posters (most of them) keep in check people who attempt to make heightism an important issue and the main focus of r/short, which ideally it should or could be.
If the moderator actually said that they're banning "red pill" comments, then obviously, the party line does not want the board to discuss REAL issues, and the discrimination that short people face is certainly the most important issue that SHOULD be discussed. Whenever someone starts a worthwhile thread about heightism, the posts are always few and most of them irrelevant to the topic. I gave up on that place long ago, however there is an occasional poster who sees the light, like the one HeightismAOS mentioned and it would pay to have posters like that posting over here.
I love the generic platitude like "work on yourselves" and also the white knight "love the women around you." A user here also calls out the pure virtue signaling lie about /r/short being full of sexist posts.
Since it seems like /r/short is just a front for a bunch of short feminists, I'll ask the actual height related question: Do people have the right to stereotype short men? If the answer is yes, then unfortunately I believe that also means people have the "right to be incel." If the answer is no, then why do short men have to worry about it at all? The people on /r/short constantly claim women have it worse, but if that's the case then why is it only possible to stereotype the men? No matter what women do, it cannot "give legitimacy" to stereotypes like "hypergamy" or red pill ideology, but apparently that's possible with short men and heightist stereotypes. When will these garmins look out for themselves for once? Defending women is like claiming to hate nazis or homophobes. Only fringe groups would have a problem with that. It's nothing astounding nowadays.